Confess Your Mess
Confess Your Mess

Episode · 2 months ago

Dirty Laundry, Sex Dreams, & Nipple Clamps w/ Jackie Grubs

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

This week, the guys are joined by their friend and wedding party member Jackie Grubsfor a WILD wildcard episode, covering everything from ice cream to nipple clamps to fictional infidelity. Jackie Iadonisi’s number one priority in life is to not look back and think: "I could have eaten that." As Delish’s West Coast eater-at-large, she hosts and produces videos on Youtube and Snapchat. She has previously worked as a food correspondent for The Travel Channel and Access Hollywood. If you're curious how ice cubes once played a role in AJ and Emile's bedroom activities... you'll wanna check out this episode!

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STRAWT media. You farted, didn't I did. I saw. I told you I was Gassi all R I told you it like just a close environment. Just hit my nose, just like invade it, the nostrils. Turned off the AC. So here we are. You know what's that song? Is like, turnoff the light, light a candle. We want to light a can before different. I know. I think that's that song about somebody who's has gas from eating Calif laer FA's. It's going to be converted. If we played at the wedding, is going to be about your guests. Wow, hello everyone, my microphone on me. Just adjustice. Adjusted. What's up? Your attitude to my attitude is t that's fine. Adjust here. Adjust your digestive system. Okay, what's up, y'all? Welcome to confess your mass. We are so, so, very excited to be here with you and with our very special guests. Happens for you? What? Am My best friend, so I'm really excited. Well, of all days to she's here today, today. Wait, why is that? We Wall per? Couple breaks. Okay, one. She's in your wedding party. Yeah, and what did we do this after you? We got our marriage license today. Yeah, yes, we did have a big deal. We got our marriage license, so we're very excited about that. But okay, if this is your first time listening to the PODCAST, on this podcast we break down secrets and basically listeners submit secrets to us and then we have a different thing. Every single episode we have a celebrity guest and today, Oh, to confess your mess Daut US your secret anonymously. You can leave a voice, nose much or as little as information you'd like, as you'd like us to tag all there, and when it makes sense, based on the team or of our episode, we might get your secret. Yeah, so please go over to spotify this by star Apple podcast. Yes, five stars and over on Apple podcast. We also write us a review, which we really really appreciate, and every week we have a messenger of the week. We pull reviews from apple and also from our youtube channel. Yeah, if you're official, you can watch there as well. And Yeah, that was so informed. You might be a messenger of the week. I really, I really love the way you just broke that down, because breaking it down, though, this person is broken it down with me in Aja many times. There might have been some libations involved. Now and we hoo or in Mexico, but or our apartment back before the pandemic. We do like Karaoke parties and stuff. But anyway, our guest is Jackie. You can follow her at Jackie grubs and if you don't know, Jackie is just an amazing human being. She you can see her are clever at the list. We actually met working together at clever back in two thousand and sixteen. Weep is wild, as seen on access, hasn't internationally renowned, world renowned food blogger and Vlogger? I don't know what's the difference? Bloggers writing right, a blog. She's a Vlogger. Vlog yeah, vlogger is yeah, we we were actually texting her yesterday about it. I called her yesterday and how a whole conversation about some content I had to shoot and she helped talk me through it. I learned all about the loop. She's also been a food correspondent for the travel challenge. She's just all around and we truly love her. And anytime she post anything about shrimp, she gets DM's from me because she knows I love shrimp. Okay, right, welcome to the Pide, Jackie, what's up you? How are you? What an introduction? Oh my God, we have you. Wait a minute, congratulations on getting your marriage like thanks huge. It's like it's like official. Well, we almost forgot, like we just like a week of basically your Sogoer, like wait, don't we have to get a marriage license or something, and when we'll start looking into it? Don't know who said that. Amill said, don't we have to get our marriage license? Well, okay, but to be fair, I did our like expect self spreadsheet like months ago. Anyway, had it on there. We got we guys, though, yeah, out as a part of the budget. They didn't. They didn't kick us out. They didn't say, Oh my God, you're gay, so you can't get this, even though in this country, yeah, based on the way things are going a little nervous about same sex marriage and rows. However, that part. I will tell you this, though, Jack it was actually really sweet because when we went there, obviously like the way we were entering the court house in Beverly Hills. There it was like pairs coming in and there's two women that try to go through. They didn't have an appointment in because of covid they won't lead you through without an appointment. So they're pretty pretty strict. We got up there and then as we were going through the process and got the actual like you have to put your hand up and say like a little oath and like make a promise, and then as we got our paperwork, a few different people gradually them. HMM, even on the way out, the security guys that congratulated this and I was like, okay, that's cool, and going into security guy didn't seem that Nice. Yeah, okay. So, Jackie, before we get even into our first segment, just since we have you here, what, what most are you excited we haven't revealed the wedding. I don't think we're going to reveal the wedding day, honestly, until it's over. What are you most excited for? We I think by the time your episode comes out there will be a youtube video that has been released. So I think people know, but if you're not, let you know and if you know anything about marriage license says you know marriage...

...licenses. You know that. Now that we have it, the wedding is sometime within the next ninety days. Yes, all we're saying because it expires after nine days. But what are you what are you most excited about for the wedding? Oh my gosh. Well, first of all, it is in Mexico, okay, and I know it's all about you guys, but we also get a vacation. So so I think it's I mean the place that you guys are having it is stunning. It's so beautiful and I think, as you guys know, the last time we were all together as a group. So it's a group that we all hang out with. It's all of Aj's closest friend, all of a male's closest friend, and we all went to Mexico together. What was them like? Four years ago now? Yeah, yeah, four years ago. So I mean again, it's all about y'all's love, but there's something nostalgic about it that all of us are going to be in Mexico again together, and all of us as a group hasn't gone on a vacation like that in a really long time. Since then, yes, Mexico, since Mexico, and then now we're all going to be together there again. Okay, Mexico and Y'all two are going to be a Fishal. So happy for you guys. So my question is, last time we're in Mexico, we there's a photo of you in this red dress. Oh yeah, your hair back in a pony, and it's like one of the most stunning things I've ever seen in my life, until the Po the post last weekend of you and our friend drew. Yeah, that in that like sort of orange terric cotta dress, which is killer. You still have that red dress and is it going to make an appearance in Mexico? You know, it's so funny. I actually have the top still. I got rid of the skirt and I was about two piece. It's two peas, and I was about to donate it and my sister came and visited me and she put in the pile to take. So it's not going to make an appearance. But you know what, I buy something new, right, like show out for y'all. You know what I'm saying, like it's a celebration. Yeah, it's going to be another two piece, but like different. Okay, fashion, Novacom not spot all right, listen, listen. We have been looking everywhere, even looking at Tzar. We've bet. There's this brand that I like called or to. There's like so many different websites. We're shopping from a SOO's, I think, or I think, or two. Is Ukrainian? Actually, we think so. Yeah, and if you want into our bedroom right now, mess, there's this. So we have a long dresser mess, stacks and stacks of brand new clothing with all the tags on, and then next to it is bags and bags and bags of Cli. I know everybody isn't saying as long as we're literally getting there on that Friday, we're seeing and we're staying until Saturday. So we have to have look and Jackie, you know, we're trying to we're going to put together social media plan. We're getting better at our social media soon, but while we're down there we were like we need to tear looks and take photos. We have content, like will have wedding content, but also like get other photo. Anyway, we're very excited. Going to sound now, go ahead, I'll say it. This is gonna sound crazy, but there's this girl, Leandy, who's a huge like she has a huge presence on social media. She had a whole team there throughout her wedding. Everything was documented like the reals, the photos, everything. She had like literally three weeks of content this sounds extreme, but this is the day and age that we're in. I think you guys should hire somebody dedicated. So okay, so social media, so that the whole thing's documented for you here with the wedding dresses. You okay, Jackie? Yeah, okay. So here's where I stand on all of this. When we had the conversation, and we talked about this in the pot before, I think, when we have the conversation about the videographer and photography team, right, I was like on one planet and a meals on a completely different planet. Now I completely understand now where he has the amount of money. I was on the right planet. Amount of money we're spending on just that for the day of the wedding, yeah, is like more than those will spend on a whole wedding where I come from, right and Ohio. So whatever. And also the other part of it is I love the idea of documenting things, but I also really, really want time with my man and with my friends and family where I'm not thinking about a camera anywhere, because that is such a part of our life. So for me, like it has to be what US I agree. Listen, let okay, here's the thing it already because you guys are on camera and doing it. I totally agree. The Day of your wedding is already a stressful situation because you're concerned about this, that, making sure everybody's there, Yeada Yada. Even if you have a wedding planner, you still are concerned with a lot of things. I kudos tolly MV for being able to do that, but also, was she present the whole entire time? I don't know. That's her own journey, right, but but it does take up some of your time. So I'll say you know, for the wedding day, because we're only documenting. Will take photos and stuff throughout the trip, but we're only documenting the actual wedding day. HMM. So from OK, yeah, so from two o'clock to two o'clock to midnight we have photo and video happening like the Devil to whole team all day. The rest of the trip is going to be on us in like frame. So that ever to take photos of. Yeah, so surprised. You're our social media team for the first four day. Oh my congratulation. We did do...

...that in Musco the last time. Remember, last time Mexico, the photo shoot on the rocks and weed. It was a whole thing every single day when we think we'll shoot. I feel like this is so old. I feel like Jackie. I think you had the fancy phone at the time. She'd be like you had like an I, five eight, yeah, and everybody's like, Whoa, we got a yhotos phone, is amazing. So she's are dropping to everybody all day because you had like the eight plus. Eight plus had a nicer camera. That's right. Listen, we're so excited and we're even more excited because, I hate to say fans or followers, but most of our Halloween doesn't know anything, any of the details. You all know some of the details, there are still so many details that you don't know and we're just we're excited. We have so many surprises. So he has a lot of things that he doesn't know that I'm planning and I haven't told anybody so and that gets me nervous every time because I'm like, do I need more surprise? Now? Many surprise? Anymore? Spread it? We just it's going to be very special. But let's get into the podcast. Okay, what is our what's what do we kick it off? Okay, so, okay, Jackie. So we know you, like you're a friend of our. So you're like different than like some of the guests we have on here who were more like associates, who are just like, you know, known for whatever, but not known for whatever, Dan like none, like all kinds of really cool stuff, not whatever. I mean, okay, good talent levels, very a bit, but they're all. They're all known. Yeah, Um, but in order to trust you with our listeners submitted secrets and confessions, we want to know that you're willing to like like have, like I have, like a what is a foot in the game? A hand in the game? What does it? Is that a sports reference kind of? I wouldn't know what you're down to play. So this is not your big secret or your confession. You're going to share that with us at the end of the podcast. This is like a little teeny one. This is more like a vice, maybe a bad habit that you have. Maybe there's a food or a snack or a situation that you know wasn't good for you. Maybe it's somebody that you text when you get a little bit tipsy. Maybe it's just something that's not good for you, but you've not been able to say no to it just yet. This is your mess, but Yaes. Oh my gosh, I love that. I was a secretized that everything. Thank you. Guys have a podcast weekly with each other. All Right, Oh man, okay. Well, it's funny because is mess is really just sticking with me, that word mess. I think something that I don't like to admit to anybody. That is a secret, is I don't I get am I gonna go there? Go there, go there, I can. Okay. I have this problem with procrastination, right, HMM. And sometimes I can go weeks, maybe months, without doing laundry. Okay, and then there's like piles and piles. Wait, wait, what do you think that month? Wait a minute, yeah, that's a mess, but mess, that's just messy. Wait, months, time about time out? How many calls do you have? Go ahead, wait, that's the problem. I have a lot of clothes right, so it's like, okay, I've borne it. It's been a month. I'm like, all right, I got other clothes, or I'll actually go out and buy likens socks. Yep, YEP, Yep. Wait, but let's also talk about I do not have the privilege of having a Washer and dryer in my apartment. Gro either, Dou so, I have to know, but we have it in our buildings. Yeah, like leaving those to mid day. Yeah, I have to go to a laundry mat and spend three to four hours in my day there. So sometimes I just put it off, which is a disgusting habit. Okay, it is, because then I have piles of dirty clothes just like living in my bedroom. Yeah, so that's something that I'm trying to get better at. Okay, that they help. Whoever I future date doesn't watch this, they're gonna be like that girl isn't a h yeah, listen, the only clean space in the apartment right now is right behind her file, like floading everywhere else. That's why she was looking off cameras. She was like, I see all the Boad I want to talk about that staring at me. It's always so funny that people have an issue with doing laundry. You hate laundry too, and I do hate laundry to that degree. I hate it. I hate it. I've told you this before. I hate it because if we had an apartment or a house where it was any unit right, actually don't mind doing laundry because what I love about when you have it in unit is sometimes some people will just they'll pick a certain color or things that don't have to be separated and they'll just put it directly in the laundry and what's the tool you just started as needed, right. But for us, I just hate it because we live in a we live somewhere where there's multiple floors and I just hate having to go all the way downstairs and you're waiting for the elevators. Just a lie. I'm so weird. I love doing laundry. Yeah, love it, and probably twice twice a week, I'll do like two or three loads. So I'm just going to I'm going to roll this so whenever we do the time code, Frank just let me know when he said that. So whenever he asked me to do Laundre, I can just play. Know that, because I love doing launch. But but I also but you've been better lately, but historically I do the bulk of all the cleaning. Okay, do you want to do Jackie's lundry? To know, but I'm just saying, though, so on occasion, like just today, I just clean the entire kitchen and living room. He did a disaster. Appreciate that, you know, and I know you do so every now and then. I just asked for like, Hey, could you go throw on a load of laundry for me? Or Hey, I did three loads that I put them in the Washer, in the our. Can you just pick them up for me?...

He'll be like some people, for some people like taking care of the loads and some people like taking the loads. So you were such such a Hoe. I'm just saying loads, taking loads. We all we all have our strength. Speaking of speaking of taking loads, guess this one's doing to me? Jackie, you're a friend, I can tell you the story. Guess what he's doing? What? No Sex? No sex until our wedding night. I love that. I actually thank you. Thank you. I think that is I think that's incredible, because there's something special about leading up to that special day, something to hold out for, something like the anticipation, because, let me tell you this right from somebody that like, before my mayor before my wedding day, we didn't have sex for, you know, a year and a half. Okay, so the night of was so incredibly special. So yes, you guys have had sex, like you guys have been intimate, but I think holding off like that night. Yeah, it's gonna be like I love. Listen, we've been knocking boots for a decade. But right, so, and if we're late to the reception, just know there's a reason we won't be late the reception because during the reception or board cocktail our, we'll be taking photo. Is going to we have a timeline. You think I don't? I'm not going to find a way. Oh my gosh, okay, go now, go ahead. Sorry, AJ, yeah, AJ, you're going to hate me, but I think you guys should take it up one level. Oh, and no kissing or no cuddling, no sex, like, no intimacy. No, I can't do that. Yes, we can. Okay, we're in a kiss. No, no, I think. I think I want us. I think. No. Here's the thing, though. Here's the thing, and this is why I tried to explain him, there's something about the tension building to the point where, yeah, if you really take everything away, and I understand what he seems like, no, I can't do that. If you really take everything and we're not going to say on here how many more days it is to the wedding. Yeah, but you really take everything away, I'm just envisioning US standing first of all when I walk down the aisle, and then we're standing there next to each other. is going to make the first kiss when we get married so special. And then you have like the whole reception and we, okay, I'll reveal this. We are having an afterparty. So the reception and the afterparty is just going to be like once we're done with that and most of the room it's like party is going to be four minutes long. Then no, that no. So listen, because we we we pay it for something. So I'm already gonna happen. I'm a tell you this, Jackie. I'm glad you're on his side his wedding party, because that is the worst advice I heard in my life. I I'm implementing that. No, no, no kissing the Nokay, no cup. We're not or not implementing okay, no kissing. We're gonna go one arguments. What we do that in arguments leading up to the wedding. Okay, I'll tell you what. Planning an international wedding during a pandemic is so stressful. If I don't get a cuddler or a kiss every now and then, our relationship. Is it going to make okay, wedding, okay, I need a little bit kind of fair compromise, compromise. Then we're going to the secrets. What about just kissing on the cheek? Now I can just give you pet we won't make out. Okay, okay, well, I love that quick that good compromis. And then, well, we make outlets is going down when they say, when they say husband and husband, then we just make out in front of everybody. They're like Whoa Colme Down School at your dad in the front row of the Reverend. I mean we're at this point. I'm to the like when we talk about the wedding, is our wedding day, like I'm not going to be nervous anymore because, like we're getting married just like it is what it is. You Real, we're just going to have even my mom was like just half fun, like it's your day, like I'm not going to be looking because you know, Jackie, you know back in the days to be afraid to drink in front of my mom, like I was thinking. She was just like half fun, just she stayed with the scheme. Still we have a whole barkart just fully stocked and she's like, I don't care, yeah, we're dinner. When we went to Joe's Krabshack we had that story. You had a cock's like what's that? I was like, oh, it's a punch. What's in it? Pineapple juice, some granted, I don't know what else. Rum sharing a lot, a lot of rum. I can't just laugh. Okay, so, if you are here, we talked a lot about wedding stuff. That's because it's getting closer. So you're welcome. But also we have to talk about the secrets, because that's what this podcast is about. So every single episode we have a theme. So the thing for this episode is wild cards. These secrets could really be about anything, because Jackie's wild, wild, I'm a little wild. So the first secret is from anonymous female California. If you are an avid listener of the podcast, might know her. Whenever we say California, La or anything, we might know this person. If it's like drew or something, right, it literally could be anybody, like anybody. So it says I I'm usually Vegan, but when I was pregnant last year. Okay, so it's not dropprew, but she has vegan sometimes she has been in the past. Organ for Yes, when we were in Mexico last time, Terry. Yeah, when we were in Mexico last time, she's like, I don't eat this the yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Then also shed chicken tenders because her johnny, that's that tracks that dry airport, her Chamelia and Nadia all were kind of the pescetarian and I think Nadia was purely Vegan or vegetarian. Every now and then they have fried chicken. Yeah, okay, so this person says, and not missy my California. I'm usually Vegan, but when I was pregnant last year I had a really weird food craving, so please mentally prepare yourselves.

The only two things I endlessly craved were red meat and ice cream. At first I ate the two separately, but pretty soon I started combining them. I know it sounds gross, but as a pregnant woman I loved it. My faces were Ben in Jerry's fish food, which is vanilla, chocolate and caramel like. That's my favorite, with beef jerky on top, and Burr Monster, which is maple, Pecans and Vanilla with the Bacon on top. Okay, now now one kind of sounds good. That I'm kind of slaps. But I also experiment it with cookies and cream, with hamburger helper, which was add least satisfying, and Mi and MIT chip mixed with spicy tie beef was so good. Now that I'm not pregnant, I gagged at the thought at all of the above. That's why, Jackie, you've tried some wild things. What are your thoughts on those food combinations? That's so interesting. I'm all about like salty and sweet, and I think weird things together too, but I'm just thinking about like ice cream with those textures, like hamburger helper with midship, I think she said. That just does not sound appetizing at also want to get but I'm here for a good mixture. Yeah, first one, though, didn't the first one didn't sound so crazy. Like beef jerky with ice cream really kind of yeah. Could you kind of use the Jerky as a spoon? Maybe? Nah, maybe it's because I don't like beef jerky. I love beef Jerky. You love. Your Dad makes homemade leave Dirky and a SIO sends it to us in the mail. I will say you we've all been to was it the OC fair or like the La Fair, and you know they have those crazies combinations. So the one that aren't the only one that sounded good to me. What to the verm monster, which is maple, beecons vanilla with Bacon on top, and that just makes me think of those big don't maybe you donut with the Bacon on top. Yeah, I feel like that standard, like anything with maple and Bacon just makes sense. HMM, that's that's just like a classic flavor combination. But the other ones, it's okay, that's that's strange. It's just a hormone thing, like like, because it is predominantly women that like these kind of wild things. So I always hear about like pregnant women who eat like wild combinations of food, like when you're going through like your cycle every month, you get like weird craving because rules question change as a woman. Oh yeah, hundred percent, when you really about, when you're about yeah, are you kidding me? Well, for me, I just want like something sweet, like all women have that thing that they want to eat and it's mostly like you're indulging right. It's like that fatty food. The sweet's all of that. I'm ravenous on my period, like I go in ice cream burgers, like French fries, the the worst the food, the better. Yeah, because it's Inter seen, because all of these combinations. I actually love every single one of these things individually. What I could put them to it. But like I grew up, I know I was like wait, you love it all to go. No, I love like hamburger helper, like every now and then, every few years I have like a moment where I'm like yes, childhood, I want to hammer. When was the last time you had hamburger helper every day? I don't even know if I've had it since I've been with you. I don't think you had. I don't think I've ever made it, because if we made it, I don't think you would still enjoy it. Well, you don't really eat ground be I would know. I could. I could fight by hamburger helper or tuna helper. You. I know. I grew up kind of not with money. I grew up a single mom who worked in a factory and we ate some weird, weird growing up, and hamburger, hamburger helper was like kind of fancies, like the cheeseburger one was always like, but I was good, we would do hamburger helper. We would just do it ground Turkey. No, that's ridiculous. No, it was delicious, bushie fancy. That's not even hamburger helper. Thank how yall her shade. It's literally go to say in the title it's a helper when you get the hamburger helper, in case you've never had it before. For you people who haven't had it, yeah, pause. It is literally pasta and whatever like mixture, and then you put your meat, yeah, yourself, ground Turkey, called ground be yeah, but it's not called ground Turkey helper. No, Oh my God, Hamburger. Yeah. Well, we voted. You're wrong on this one and the one. Sorry. Sorry, not sorry. You're wrong. Daki, Daki, you supposed to be on my side. Literally, you're been out on my side as a wedding she's your good, good friend, she's in your wedding party. She's also my friend and she's a logical human being. I mean, I'm sorry. So you saying that because I say something is not lot school. It's get hot. We take it the break. Calo bread. I welcome back to the mess week. Oh Wow, that is disgusting. You good. That's the reasonable covid flame you got there. I was I was hot. That's fantastic. Listen, welcome back to confess your mess. We've got Jackie grubs on the program we food. We were just talking weird food combos and hormones a moment ago. Okay, so, since we're talking, we're COMBOS, before we get to more secrets, not let you do the next secret. Before we get some more secrets, I want everybody to say what their weirdest food craving has ever been. Okay, so for or let's do this. Either we're this food craving or your what other people think is your weirdest food combination. So for me, I remember in college. I don't know why. You know, it was the stress of like essays and like different things. The weirdest thing for me was actually I used to love to get durritos and life saver gummies and I would...

...actually like just the nacho cheese doritos and life saverite gummies and I would eat them together, not like put one in the mouth, like I would literally get a chip, put a couple gummies on there and then, oh my God, this salty sweet and the cheat. Amazing. That still sounds good to me. Actually, that is okay. That sounds weird, like the gummy cheeriness of the gummy so good speech. It all mixes together. It's just like a Mushian. Oh what do you love? Jackie? The one thing that I owe it. People always think is like really strange. When I go to McDonald's, I always get a side packet of honey, and so I dip my fries on the honey. It's so delicious. It sounds gross, but it's incredible. Like what's it? What's the ratio of honey? is just like a little drop it? Or is it like because I'm a scooper, he's a dipper. No, you're like dipping it like it was catch up. Yeah, I don't know how to about that. She gets up it kind of it kind of doubles as a dessert. Really it's really nice. It's like salty and sweet. It's really good. Try we you haven't. Yeah, try it. Well, we grew up in I grew up in Ohio, which is where Wendy's is from. Wendy's is from Columbus, right, and so there's a lot of wendies everywhere. You fries and frosty. Yeah, fries and frosty. That's pretty was very common. Yeah, very complex normal. Yeah, that's pretty normal. I would see my strange one. I've got a couple with the strange one. That actually is delicious and if you're from where I'm from, even, just like I'm not in talking Ohio, I'm talking like my county, it's very normal. They serve it in school for like lunch from time to time. Okay, Chili like Chili Soup, right, Chili with peanut butter bread. Who Hmm? Okay, and it sounds so strange. I genuinely did not know that that's not how everybody in the entire player eats it until I left my hometown. Like, but here, Jackie, your food, you can figure this one out. Think about this. That got the hardiness and the acidity of the Chili and it's got a little kick to it, little spice right, and then creamy peanut butter on a piece of like white bread or wheat bread. They kind of balance each other out in a weird way. It's odd, but it's really good. A lot of Thai restaurants kind of have like Ramin with peanuts. You know what I mean like actual peanut butter. So I could kind of see that in some way. Think about like a like a sate, like a or like a tie, like it's literally peanut butter on noodles with meat. Yeah, it's not. Yeah, that insane. It's not. It's not. Try something. Yeah, something about Chili, just like Chili and peanut butter to your Nice Bullet Chili in the fall gun like we used to dose big Chili cookouts in the entire neighborhood would come in, pour like their pot of Chili into this big cast iron like cauldron over it open fire and everybody's Chilio Mix. They disturb up the big wooden like or and glads of peanut butter. No, no, and then people would just get scoops of Chili and it ended up being really, really good. Deal to the secret. That's like you know, it's really good. And Chili. I can't believe we're talking about food this much, but sour cream and Chili is, oh no, totally, oh, yeah, that totally yeah. I'm like a sour cream and onions and like cheddar cheese on top of every ten. It can be Turkey Chili, because I like Turkey Chili. HMM, yeah, it's not. It's Turkey. Just try to sell us of that. Turkey is so good. Okay, all right, anonymous female. I can't say that word with Michigan. We don't say that word from where I'm from. Anonymous female from that state up north. I'm a graduate of the Ohio State University. Here we go, say that word. All right, right, we say we say muck fish again. HMM, figure it out. Yeah, I'm cheating on my husband, Whoa, Whoa, with characters from righting. Wait, wait, good, with characters from Romance Novels. Huh. It started as crushes on various characters, then became sex dreams about them, and now I don't orgasm from sex with my husband in less I close my eyes and picture the men on the covers of my romance novels. Is that messed up? I think it's probably more common than we realize. Maybe not. Yeah, maybe not necessarily romance novels, but I feel like there's people who probably think about other people during sex. I guess at where I'm a little throne is. They said that they can orgasm like it all from sex with their husband. Lest they pictured it. I can see an occasional, but maybe I'm I'm not judging, but that I don't know this a little oh no, well, it sounds like if you're looking to romance novels that often it, I think it's because there's something. Probably they're lacking already relations, so you're already seeking it somewhere else. And for a lot of people who maybe have an aversion to like pornography or having an open relationship or some sort of other like, you know, arrangement in your marriage or their relationship, I think that historically romance novels have been the way to go. Yeah, I think that it makes perfect sense to me.

I don't think it's cheating at all and I don't think I don't think that even thinking about somebody else during sex is cheating, but it could be an indicator of something deeper that you might want to explore and have a conversation about if your partner's willing to, because there's something lacking. I think Jackie thoughts that's the only person he's Oleman married. No, I agree with everything that you said. Aj I think is it consider cheating? Not necessarily, but I feel like that kind of that will only lead to cheating. If you continue that pattern and you're imagining other people while you're having sex with your husband, it's saying that your husbands not satisfying you in that way. Like, okay, so maybe you do it once or twice, but there needs to be a moment where you have that conversation. Maybe not say hey, I'm thinking of other people, but hey, I would really like for us to do things that are a little bit more romantic. Yeah, that's just going to right now it's characters from novels. Tomorrow it's going to be somebody that she meets at a market. You know, listen, maybe I will say that because I where I come from it's pretty, pretty conservative. And even if it doesn't lead to actual physical cheating of somebody else, if it is just stays in this romance novel space forever, I think you're still like just checked out of the relationship to some degree. You're not getting something. Well, for yeah, and I think, I think for me and like you said, at some point I think there were have to be a conversation, like you said, Jackie, with your partner. It doesn't hurt their feelings, but like, if it's to the point where you cannot orgasm without thinking about these characters. And again, to this person who submitted anonymous, we're not judging you at all, but I don't know your relationship, but at some point I feel like there's to be a conversation because if you don't like aj saying, it feels like you are lacking something. It's just if you're reading these romance novels all the time, and I remember back in the date like it's funny because there's romance novels and then there's like growing up in school, I remember there would be like the black novels, like the Black Romance novels, those like by Zane, and it be like a whole bunch of like sex scenes and they're like everything. So there's different types. Did you read those? No? No, but the girls in school did. I was still trying to be straight and like straightened. Not Anyway, Jerome, Jerome, Youa Um, but I know for a fact that if you aren't able to at least occasionally be satisfied by your partner by actually thinking about your partner, there has to be some deeper issues there. Yeah, and we've experience with different older couples in our life where it's just sometimes a generational thing where they don't feel comfortable when they have issues talking about like the issues that they have or going to therapy or different things like that. And then the other thing, and I think that's why we love having some of these conversations the podcast, because we don't we have people who listen of all ages and I think it's just we try to talk about our relationship sometimes because we are pretty open and honest with each other and transparent, and that may not be best for everyone, but I think there has to be some level of transparency and honesty. I ever works in your relationship? Yeah, Actually Been Married Jack You. Have you ever found yourself like during sex, think you know somebody else? Know? I think more so alone time by myself? HMM, go there, but I purposely would never because you know, like sometimes your brain could go like yeah, back to an old memory. I'll shut that down real quick. Personally, I just I don't want to be intimate with somebody else, yeah, or with someone and be thinking about somebody. Have you ever thought of somebody else during sex with me? First of all, the first of all, he I love how he strikes turn. Have you ever thought about he's he we both have. So okay, good, I just want to know if you're going to like. So I've definitely thought about but as when I've had sex with but for me, though, I'm never, I don't. I can honestly say I've never liked exclusively thought about somebody else, like while knowing it. With him, it's more so for me, and we talked about this before with each I don't know we ever said it's like here, but, like I I love the idea. So if I'm thinking about some I'm like, I'm just thinking like we're all there together, even though it's just me and him, but it's not. And that's also something, though, where that's not like an every time thing. That's like an occasional thing, right in a mood. But like also it's like a passing thought. Usually it's right. I'm constantly thinking about like one person, the right it's maybe the goes through my mind. I don't sort of fight it off and I also I know that it also turns you on. It's a kink that we both share. So that kind of turned let me tell you something for this woman. If you you're not, you're in Michigan, but if you ever come out to la and go to equal knocks. I won't say the equal knocks, but yeah, Babbio is there. I knew you were gonna say that Fabio was there all the time. If you are in a certain age and you don't know who Fabio is, that means you're really young. But Fabio used to be on the cover of every romance novel with his hair just flowing, still jacked. He's a little that's great. He drives like this fancy worst car. They got money married. She does not need that sensation. Oh her. Yeah, Oh my bad, she adn't going to equats in La. Yeah, and she doesn't...

...even know which one. He goes to. The place to stay? Yeah, you right, she might be staying. She's like she stays where a month long trip and she goes everyone every single day, waiting from outside. Her marriage is over because of confess your mess. Okay, our next secret. You get an update for her up that I thought, Bobbio. This next secret. They say their name is t, just the letter t of their mail. Okay, okay, spill the tea. They said this is a secret and a hot take. They put hot take in all caps, but I am not a fan of Queer. I love the guys and everything they stand for and do for their heroes. But years ago I watched the first season cry my eyes out on every episode. After a while the episode begin to blend together and it lost it spark. Not sure if y'all watch last watch the show, but what do y'all think? I'll start. I think. I think that with any show, especially a reality show, you fall in love with you know the people on there, and that type of shows kind of like the doc you follow in a way. Sure, episode episodic or Standalone, but you fall in love with these people on the show. I think when you're watching shows, I don't think it's like a bad thing. Sometimes people fall in love with the show and they're able to watch multiple season and sometimes, I get what you're saying, like this spark or whatever you fell in love with for that show can go away. I don't think that needs to be. I'm are you saying? Because maybe you're a gay guy and you're like, like you're so housed to watch, where as of that, yeah, that's not that's not the case. Yeah, I um, yeah, I don't really have much of a comment. I was up for that show at the time, which was an you know, interesting and I was really close and it didn't work out and it's they got exactly the five people they should have gotten. They're all like I think they're unique in interesting in their own way. I watched like one episode, I think, years ago, and it wasn't really my vibe. It just it for me. It just wasn't wasn't where I'm at. It doesn't really do a whole lot for me, but I know that the show's helped a lot of people around the world. So if it's not for you, it's not for you. That's fine, and if it is, it is, that's great. We watch a lot of like other like we we watch a lot of reality shows like selling, sunset in, real housewives and things like that. Sometimes, I think because we're we're in the the the space of helping people, are ready like in other ways we don't necessarily need to. And also I host a national talk show five days a week on a queer radio station. We talked about these issues four hours, hours a day. So sometimes it feels it can feel like too close to home. Yeah, a little traumatic sometimes to watch something like we're I were every single week. They're going through and like having these heartbreaking stories and fighting for rights and all this and talking about, like we were rights and all the stuff, and that's great, but sometimes, like you said, I just like to watch selling sunset or real householves of New Jersey and like just escape for it and not really think about issues. MMM Yeah, I think what shows like that, though, too, when they come out, right out the gate, they make such an impact, but as time goes on and as those fook those hosts get more popular, the magic kind of fizzles out, you know what I mean? You can't keep that energy for that many seasons and it'd be like a hundred percent. Yeah, authentic people are just like, all right, we've seen it and you're now forcing these storylines you know well, because also, I think season one, I think probably something with any of these shows, there were these new characters, hmm, that are like you and me and they kind of represent US sitting at home on the couch watching and that's cool. But by season three or four they live in multimillion dollar homes, they've got endorsement deals everywhere. Yes, they're all over there pop and I will say the reality, I will say it's a little different, but the thing that stays true is they might get bigger, but the people that they're helping or still like balance, you know. So I think that's what keeps the magic. And but they're still getting multiple emmy nominations and win so you're they're fine. And also, I'm just saying all this to also say the three of us are very talented host so we would keep the magic alive for multiple seasons for any show that you hire us for, just in case anyone's listening. It's not easy, though. They want Emmy's. They've been around for years. I mean they're doing something very right. Yeah, but uh yeah, okay, next secret. Next secret, read, and this our final secret before Jackie. Secret. This person nervous. She's your palms will start sweating right about now. Just to prepare. I will let you know I'm sweating in this shirt, but that's because the AC is off. OKAYUM, this person, this is called ICED. In parentheses, spilled the and then close parentheses. T so, iced, spilled the tea, more tea and write morte. They're a male. Their Pan. Sexually, what's this from? T T T t tttttttt. Name that movie. Go Jackie. I don't know what Y'alls are about. You don't know how what is it? It's just easy. A favorite movie of all time besides Brightman. Yeah, I'M gonna SAE Briss my favorite, but easy A. It's so they it's like a sea, like Ett Twat. I seen it multiple times. I don't remember that. Stanley to cheat with the family to Chi. For some reason I have like a weird crush on Stanley UG sometime, like way,...

...not in every movie, but sometimes like a hunger game. Yeah, with the Blue Ponies tail, he could get it. No, no, no, that's all. That was like the one movie where he can note my bad, my bad, the capital their bad. He was my hot and hunger games. Okay, male Pan Sexual Washington DC. They said this is a secret at the beginning of my hookups, but not if they last. I love ice q play. It turns me the fuck on. Yeah, ice cubes in the PUSS, Ice Cubes in the Booty, Oh, ice cubes up and down my shaft or my partner shaft. Have you ever have your done ice cube play? You know what's so funny? As a younger girl I would read Cosmo all the time, right, and they would give you like tips and tricks on what sexy and what people like, and that was one of the things. Like add ice, it'll like be cooling down there, Yada, Yada, Yada. So I've done it once like before, like you know, doing whatever just to be like sexy, but it was fine. It wasn't anything crazy. But I've had somebody to do it to me and it's it's so funny because this was years ago. It's wonderful, like the cooling sensation down there. It's like, Oh, you get all like you know what I mean, dude, but I haven't done it in forever. Do you remember? There was I think it was you, you drew, and chanade it old clever where. I told you, guys, after we watch fifty shades of gray, Aj tried to do some stuff and it went horribly wrong. Your was it horribly wrong. It went horribly wrong. I remember there being he it was some ice involved at some point. I remember he had like we were trying some things and as I my mouth was full, I thought I was Christian gray for like an entire and he was not. If it was not a sleigh, and I literally remember I don't know if I had like a what do you put like a sock, as sockball in my mouth or something, something to be hot or whatever, I know, and I just remember like forcing it out with my tongue so I could talk about okay, stop, stop, it was not it. I I have very sensitive Nipples, I will say. I don't remember exactly what went wrong. That was so long ago. Oh No, but I have very aggressive, aggressive there since more nipple. They're like they're always curty. So whenever anybody sees me, Oh yeah, you're like a FEM bought from Austin powers shoot. So just imagine like touch or tongue is one thing within ice. On top of that is just it's the sensation justice to what do you like? Because you bought nipple clamps one time and we've never used so you just going to blow me? Ill, was the hide? Oh you're gonna, you're going to talk about how bad I am in bed, and I don't say I won't. I never said you're bad in bed. Just we're clear. I say you were not Christians. Ray. It was a rough month back the super I don't even know. That's not we done kinky stuff, I don't know what, lamps and there like literally hanging out on his night stand with do you what? Do you remember when I got the nipple clamps? I got the nipple clamps and I got like all this like I'm not gonna go into the different loops and stuff. We got so many different things. I got some different things. I have like flower rose petals all over the bed and everything. That was for Valentine's Day, because he told me he was out of town. He was like, we never do anything for Valenti's Day. I want you to do something special. I go to pick him up from the airport, had our dog, Kingston in the back seat. I think eyes was so excited to see him and he was excited to see Kingston. He put his phone on the roof and then we drove off. The phone. You remember the story by brand new? If so, he literally lost his phone that day. We got home and he's freaking out because like, Oh, I don't have my phone. I felt so bad by the time I walked into the bedroom, I looked at the meal and I said I had tears welling up in my eyes. That phone cost on like six hundred bucks and I had was brand new. Yeah, I had like tears welling up my eyes. I just go off a flight. I'm exhausted. He's trying to be sweet and like pass like this whole like thing planned out for me and I was like a meal. I love you, you're being so sweet right now. It's Valentine Day. I'm really sorry you brought the dog. I'm so happy to see you. I just need a minute to like take a breath, and so I walk into the bedroom to get away and let like not destroy all of Valentine's date. I walk in there and as soon as I see everything, I start bawling. I'm like now I'm ruining it at all. It was horrible. It was off. Drove all the way back to lax looking for my phone, and then the next day is when he discovered they were chocolate covered strawberries and the freeze that had him. Ladig can't getting worse and worse death like Biro Wow. I asked him to do the sweet thing and then I ruined every so I will never do that again. All right, we are going to take a quick commercial break and when we come back we are going to hear Jackie's confession. All right, welcome back, Jackie. Take a couple of deep breaths. This is the big moments. So this is why our listens here. They just lay fast forward through most of this just to get to this moment. It's time for you to confess your mess. Okay, so how much back story? How much time do I have so I don't sound crazy out the gate, just telling my secret? How much time?...

Just a backstory? Okay, make a quick backstory and then a secret or all of it, I don't care. Okay. Well, my secret is is that I may or may not have hung out with somebody while I was married that I now that I'm divorce, maybe hooking up with. Oh ways, you guys. That was like the fakest like gasps. No, I didn't know this. We pause. So when you say, when you say hung out, just like a hang we just hunk out. Okay, okay, okay, but let me break it down, because, okay, so, so, to be fair, it wasn't fake. My like I know your x and I know that you guys don't work together and I'm not friends with your x, but I like your x. So there's a real reaction there. I'm kind of like, oh, so, go ahead. I pride myself on being very loyal never like cheated. Nothing. Okay, so I'd say that with I just say that to enter this conversation. But what happened was I used to work out at this gym with my friend, with my friend, I'm not going to say any names, I don't know that was close with with my friend, and while I was going to the gym, there was a man that was there and he clearly was like interested. He you know, said hello and that's kind of how we like met each other, but nothing came of it. It was just, you know, he went to the name Jim as me. The next time I went to the gym, he invited me to go to a game, a basketball game, and at this point I'm like, does he know I'm married? So I told him clearly. I was like Hey, I don't know, not to be presumptuous or anything, but I'm married. Right, if you want to hang out with me, it would be just on a friendship level, and he was like Yoh, yeah, cool, cool, cool, but I knew that he was interested. Right. Were you wearing that little red two piece from Mexico? You know, I'm so gonna work it was. I was at workout pants. I was at he's probably like anyway, Jackie has body, Yada, Yada, Ya. Have you done the workout pants? Lord M carry on. So he invited me to the game and I knew it was wrong, even though I said I was like, Hey, I can't go with you by myself, I need to invite a friend, you know, out of respect for my husband, right, and he was like yeah, bring a friend, but I already knew that was like not something that I should do, because I felt like guilty about it and I knew it was bad because I did not tell nick who invited me to the game. I said, wait, okay, we can, we give my husband is. Yeah, also, we can bleep his name if you want us to do that. No, it's fine, it's fine, okay. I went to the game knowing that, like I wasn't being truly honest, and that's the first time I ever lied in my marriage. HMM, okay, it was my first time I ever lied and I feel really bad about it because we've always been honest and the good thing about me and my axe is that we've always been able to like hang out with like the opposite sex. There's a lot of trust there and it was never like a question. Right. Were's open like that. But this was the first time. For whatever reason, I knew like hey, this man invited me to, you know, an NBA game, like can I go? Like he would be like Nah. So I just didn't say it. I was like, oh, Jaden's friend gave us tickets, we're going to go the game. He's like all right, cool, wait, Jane, your hot model friend? Yeah, she's on. She's literally on a huge on the side of the Grove right now, a gorgeous mode of her. She's so stunning, so beautiful. So Jaden came with me and we went to the game and it was fun. It was like very like, you know, just a regular hang out. But what's funny is now that I'm separated, that same guy I've hooked up with a couple of times. So like, if you really put the whole story together, it's like, oh, did you like write premeditating, like hanging out with but anyway, that's my secret. Was it where they just was it like the box seat? Was It court side? Was You and the nosebleed seats up on the rafters? Like where were you? He took us out on the core. We got to like so the players. It was very much like VIP treatment. Asking like I didn't our know, because I remember that. I remember the photos. At the time I was like, Oh, deacky's court side. Oh, wait a minute, I never knew this story. If that's, if that's what you feel guilty about in your relationship, you're fine. Yeah, don't. I mean I really. Yeah, I mean earlier on in our relationship we they was like somebody who was sort of like an ex situation in my life that we hung out and try to be friends and and I would always be like, no, it's I would tell a meal, but I was like it was totally fine. No, it's fine, words friends, and we were, but like it wasn't like I shouldn't have been doing it. It was disrespectful to a meal and at the time it was really in our relationship. I was like, as some I thought one of two things. One, I thought that heat a meal at some point was going to want to explore and try other, you know, dating scenarios out with other men, because I'm the first only person who's ever gone in the date with so I was...

...like I got my s. two, like be AH, and at some point he's going to want to do that. So I kind of convinced myself, like this is crazy. He's going to wake up one day and realize you're not the one. So I kind of always had like like the door ajar, just in case. I eating an exit strategy. And then also, I think that a meal was so sweet and kind, especially early on in the relationship. You, I mean salty. Is Fine now, but back then he was. Took me get it, but like I wasn't used to that, so I was like I don't deserve he didn't know what he deserved. I had a dime over here and you only I had a nickel and nickel. Wait. Always wondered that when they say, Oh, a dime, like I don't want to be a Diamon, want to be like a hundred dollar, but I want to be whatever the highest denomination is with there's a bar that used to be near US called the dime. Is that why? Oh, it's out there. Yeah, also still there. Is it still there? It all? I thought it. Do you remember? We all went there for Aja's birthday, like right before where the pandemic? Well, the year before the pandemic, and we had the best time. Well, it got a little crowd of at leaving my next door didn't we end up like dancing on a couch with a genie? My she was there one night. Were you there that night? No, I've been there few. Oh, maybe I was a Pinelia, who's been on our pots in my wedding party and the time that we went together, and I think maybe Sophia might have been there. We were all a sudden because a picture popped up recently on my memories or something somewhere, and it was Knelia, genie and I hammered like falling off the side of a couch. Interesting, and the dime is a good time. Time I go to the dime, something exciting happens. They need to lower their capacity by about twenty five. No, that's going to makes it fun act. Well, maybe we'll, maybe now with post postcode, while we're still kind of Hank covid. Maybe now they can't. I couldn't be in that place. Is Tiny and I would not want to be breathing all those Hella covid anyway. But yellow particles. I don't think that you did anything wrong, especially it will be a for me personally, honestly, Jackie, if it was a situation where because I think even if you were like, I don't know, this guy's into me, the fact that you said, uh, I'll come, but I need to bring a friend to me personally, that was very respectful. Did it lead to your divorce? No, no, no, no, they exactly. No Way, I have nothing to worry about. Yeah, I don't. I don't think that you did. Also, can you still get court side tickets as well? I want to know. We May, we may, we look up up at a game here and there if you ever need another third wheel. I Love Sports. Now, wait a minute, I don't. I'M gonna listen. I don't Love Sports, but I'll come. I can't tell you who I know. Lebron. You Know Lebron? Kyle Kuzma, he plays for no, no, he's okay, D Wade, he retires. Our guys. Okay, go. Who Am I thinking of? Um, you know some Lakers. Come on, give me it, just give me a first letter. You Know Brow, you know? Oh, Oh, oh, Anthony, Um, Anthony, oh a D Davis, Davis, Anthony, David, oh, steph curry. Okay, yeah, okay, that's Golden State. Yeah, but WHO's my crush? Your crush? Oh, oh, Russell, west brush right, that he plays for loving. Okay, yeah, listen, hold on, you put my people, my sports voice on. Yeah, I'll be knowing. I'll be knowing. The most players will say this. Guess what? What, Jackie, I think you you might know this, and this is a little bit of tea about our wedding. We are being dressed and custom looks created by somebody, HMM, who designs for Kyle Kuzma, Andy Way? Yeah, that's true. That's true. YEA, fancy. You'll see the looks, Fan, you'll see the looks eventual. That's true, honey, we got some connections. Listen, I already knew that y'all were going to come next level. Okay, I would not expect anything less. And you know, earlier I said I was excited about like being with everybody, but what y'all are going to look so sharp and sexy. It's gonna be so good. I'm very excited. I'm very excited in them. I love that you said your favorite. You're like what you're most excited about is, like, obviously the celebrate. That's but like that, you're going to vacation, and that makes me happy because literally, when we chose our destination originally ad sent Mexican. I was like, I don't know, but he made a good point. He was like, you know, if people are going to spend the money to fly, especially we were thinking for family at least for family to fly to La, they're gonna have to spend so much money on the flights, the hotel or expense and then their food every single day. And we were like, okay, so far our la friends is going to be a bit of a journey, but for everybody else in our wedding they're actually getting and you guys to get in vacation to you like everybody gets to not just enjoy the wedding. It's like a full but most of our La friends, to be fair, and most for a wedding party, we knew we would be down because we've traveled to Mexico most times with all of you. Yeah, like, yeah, my wedding party, like Michaela, we've been to Mexico together. Sophia and can Neli want to the resort and helped us. They've been there, they've seen the resort. They helped us pick it out last year. So, like, we knew you'd all the day. I invite to that. Where is my so so? Yeah, so I'll have a story. Looks like we're almost out of the time. Actually, that's so weird. Time flies. We were having fun. Jackie grubs, thanks so much for stopping by. We appreciate you. What every single episode we...

...like to do one thing at the end. I was forget. You always forget this part. So, from this episode, from from this almost hour that we've spent together, what would you say is your takeaway of the day, something that really stuck with you from this episode, this podcast? Hmm, I think what I would take away is from y'all to I love how open you guys are with each other and your relationship, how you communicate and try new things, and I did. That's just a beautiful thing. You know, some people there's a stigma of like, oh, I can't like that or I can't talk to my partner about that, and I think it's so special that, how crazy it may be or how it might be like scary to tell your partner certain things that you like, you guys do that and you guys respect each other and you hear each other out, which I think is so great, which I want to take into my future relationships. Like, Hey, I want nipple clamps. And you know what, if you think it's weird, it's fine, but I need to express it and you need to try it with the at least one you know. You know that's easing. That's your Promo. You know that right that is going to be your Probo Nipple. I love it. Thank you so much, daky, for joining us. We appreciate it. We love you. We can't wait to see you in Mexico. Love you guys. See there. Confess your mess is a straw heap media podcast produced by Ryan Tillotson and Frank DRISCO. Thank you so much for listening and don't forget to subscribe and share. And if you have a secret you want to share, go to confess your mess to us to submit your secret could end up in the show boo.

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